We had just been writing a lot of the stuff that actually appears on Core. We just played like it was going to be our last day alive. We’re playing at this place, and again it was one of those nights where there was no one there. When you’re on the stage, the wall literally felt like it was 30 feet in front of you. It was not very deep, but it was very wide. We ended up doing one show in particular at the Shamrock out on Vermont and Western, kind of out in East L.A. It was those days where we played, and if there was eight people in the place, six of them worked there. I think by 1988 or 1989, I was in the band and we were off and running, gigging anywhere and everywhere we could, between Bakersfield and San Diego. They said, “Hey, do you want to be in the band?” It wasn’t too long after that they asked me. I played a couple of solos, and I think it was then and there where Scott really took a look at what he wanted the future to be and what the realm of guitar in what he was doing wanted to be. Robert suggested to the guys, “Hey, let’s have my brother come up - I was in San Diego at the time - he’ll play on them.” I think the studio was in Hollywood. That’s when I got the call because the guitar player at the time couldn’t quite lay some solos down. “Here’s a few thousand bucks, go in and cut a few things, let’s hear what you’ve got.” Around ‘87, they were kind of gigging around Los Angeles, wherever they could play, quite honestly. Scott had a band with some of his longtime friends that he went to school with and stuff. I think Robert might have moved to California from New Jersey in ‘84. Mighty Joe Young, the initial band you all formed, starts taking shape pretty quickly after that. Our sister site Loudwire does a thing called " Wikipedia: Fact or Fiction," and Wikipedia says that you and Robert met Scott in 1985 at a Black Flag show.